The future of my X

Tuesday 6th May, 2014 Comments 19 comments
Posted by Roguey, Global Admin.
Hi guys; I know its been awhile since I last posted anything but been thinking through a few things with the x-community. The x-games have been a big part of my life.

I noticed the x-games when I brought their first game; X: Beyond the frontier. At the time I was looking for another Elite game but there wasnt any. The two big-names (David Braben and Ian Bell) had a large disagreement which carried on for many years - putting a halt to the all rumoured Elite 4. Many other companies out there thought space-sim games were a lost cause.

This strange space-sim was a bit wacky, with its large graphics (but easy to read menu) and very cool computer-voice (I still think its one of the best);

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So after completing the plot (if I remmeber correctly) there were some special wares dropped in space. Whilst the game was a bit limited (one ship) and broken economy (Solar-power plants produced endless wares for very little), it had potential. I knew it wasnt created by the biggest development crew out there, so I was willing to forgive.

So I was delighted to hear when X-Tension was released. One of the most limiting things; the one-player-ship was removed (capitals weren't flyable) but a lot of things made much more sense. In X-BTF the capital ships flew faster than the fighters. Later on during X-Tension life-cycle, support was added to fly TL's ships (wicked).

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At this point, the x-games were gaining a lot of respect from me and egosoft were building the next big project X2: The Threat. For me this is when the x-games became serious. X2 offered a lot more than its predecessor; from graphics, ships, new enemy - the khaak, and more things to-do etc. Still to this day X3AP/TC still borrows bits from X2 (suns, objects etc.).

At this point, I started feeling like I wanted to support them. So I started to build an X2 site. My web-knowledge was rather limited at the time, but I thought it would help. During this time, egosoft announced an add-on pack to X2. This was later cancelled, for full-game: X3.


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When X3 came-out, things were far from perfect. At one stage the HUD would take 50% of your frame-rate, plus there were a lot of buggy plots. It was kind-of expected that Egosoft struggled to make non-buggy plots. In time everything was fixed, and X3 turned into a fantastic game. This is when I really started to support them with an X3 site, and later with Roguey X3 Mod. I had some incredible help on the way - a big thanks to them.

X3 held the fort for along time until X3: Terran Conflict came out. At this point I was little sadden by the release. This time egosoft borrowed content from X3 mod-teams. So for awhile I held-back developing the site/mod - since my mod was gaining support but yet never asked for anything. I was later asked to have my mod included in the super-box but egosoft decided later to drop mods from the super-box (probably due to size).




I waited on X3TC, and finally after some-time created a X3TC site. This time I added other peoples guides rather than create my own. I felt there was some already great guides out there, just that a few had broken images etc. So rather than write my own, I could offer them a better home... I still think a forum isnt the best place for a guide, as they can get quickly lost in the pile of threads.

Time past, and things started to go quiet. However on the 20th April, 2011, Egosoft announce X Rebirth. This was strange in some-ways has few days before I created a Fair well video (on the 17th, with a speech version on the 18th). Maybe it was just me, but seem very close.




It was exciting to hear about a new x-game - something that would brake the mould that egosoft had fell into. Since X2, egosoft had kept bolting onto its engine but didnt really push the series forward technically. Sure we had more ships to fly, more sectors etc. but there were no more gameplay features as such. Some of us wanted to see advancement in the series.

Time went by and egosoft fell silent. After all the hype of a new-game - nothing. This is when we got to XMas, when out the blue X3: Albion Prelude was released. No warning at all.

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At this time egosoft gave away free-copies to super-box users which meant us fans who had brought each instalment didnt get a free copy. So after all the support I gave them, I went onto their Facebook page and said my peace (I wasnt happy they were giving free copies to people but not me, after all the years of supporting them) - I wouldnt of minded if I had to buy a copy, if everyone had did.... A few days later I was given a copy - when I started to work on my X3AP site. This time I would do all the guides myself.

After playing X3AP for awhile, I felt it was rushed. Fortunately the community behind egosoft, it was later patched - including more plots, fixes, ships etc. For me, it could probably be one of the best x-games yet.

As time flies (as it does), I kept an eye on the news of X3AP. One random day I saw someone sending in some food, were all the staff would join into the chat-room (normally empty). This is when CBJ invited me to be apart of DevNet, as I was interested helping with Egosoft next instalment - X-Rebirth.

A few weeks past and I was in, now part of DevNet and a tester of X-Rebirth. I thought I could help test the game and offer my advice about things. However my first initial impression was... it looks big? and very, very different? is this even a x-game? However being very confused about it, I started working on a site to make some sense out of the game. Quite a few of the testers had access to the site, as I felt it helped them to get around - egosoft's documentation was rather lacking at this time.

During this time my enthusiasm wavered; I found it hard to like X-Rebirth but stuck in there in the hopes that things would improve. When it was getting near release I started rebuilding the site, so to help other people, seeing as I didnt get-it. Maybe suddenly egosoft would bolt on another big module or something - I didnt know, but I didnt think it would get released like that.

As we all know X-Rebirth release was probably one of the worse. I couldnt believe the amount of hate messages I was seeing. It didnt help their site died at the time (sending the wrong message to gamers). At this time I felt it was important to write my own review, as I didnt want to give players the wrong message about the game (I pride myself on being open, honest and fair). However all this activity was short lived, a few months later everything went back to normal. At the most busiest time had to increase my hosting plan to cope with the extra traffic, but now we back to half the existing plan.


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I was shocked to learn about all the x-box tags found in the shader files (here). I never thought to search through the game-files - I was confused enough! I was told later those tags dont mean much, but still... there is a lot of them! Maybe I over-reacted? but its still hard ignore. Around the same time Diablo 3 suddenly was being launched on the PS3/4 (the 4 skills made sense then; since they can be mapped to an d-pad).

So now 6 months later, and I havnt seen a big change. I know we are due another big patch soon, so I will wait until then to decide.. however I feel X-Rebirth needs a major rebuild. During the development I did moan at quite a few people, although after while I stopped (as it felt it was falling on deaf-ears to be honest). I reckon I must of posted between 6-10 pages of stuff - saying what I didnt like with the game (sorry to CBJ for the ear-bashing).

This is one of the reasons I started a X3AP Mod - to make the game how I feel. I was expecting a lot more feedback and help with the mod, much like my older X3 mod but it didnt happen on the same scale. This mod took along time to make, because of a new universe. Once again thanks to those who did help.




This is why I am now deciding whether to ditch future support of the x-games. If I do then wont be supporting egosoft, but will be on the look-out for the next big thing. I would love to be able to work with the developers. My x-sites will remain open regardless btw (just not updated etc.).

I feel its a shame what things have turned into. It was nice working along side a developer (finally), to build a resource for people at launch. I learnt to hang-in a bit; cause sometimes you can right-off a game too early; take Guild Wars 2 - which I have re-picked up. However unless anything big is planned, I feel the future looks bleak.

Please let me know what you think, as its now more than ever important to post your comments. thank-you for reading - sorry for the long post but atleast you know how I feel, and why I havnt been responding.


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Roguey  •  2 years ago
thank you all for posting. I do read all your comments, and its good to hear what you think. I havnt gone away, just not been doing much on the site.

Atm I am not sure where my focus should lie;

- Elite-D seems all about money (£100-200 to test is crazy, and planned DLC at the start!?). Unless you pay that kind-of money it seems they dont wanna know you (ive tried to contact them a few times with no response.. and then given up). I also believe that planned DLC at launch is a bad idea!

- Star Citizen post a lot of videos (which seems a little worrying to me). Some the features plan sound too good to be true. However after years of development, we seen only the hanger/dogfighting module Confused Although if they can pull off half the things, it should be great.

- Limit theory sounds good, but its a lot to ask from one person. I could imagine its very difficult to get involved with that project. As he is bound to be busy anyway.

- Or, something completely different. Maybe forgetting space-sims altogether?!

I think with all projects (above) its hard to 'get' into them (as in having insider knowledge and/or where I was before with a NDA). Shame really...
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XOR  •  2 years ago
Roguey, I have registered here just to to able to say this. Thank you so much for all that you have done. You are not a mere "modder", you are one of the elite enthusiasts that has given back so much to the community that it deserves an award. I got into X3TC not long ago as my first X game and I have not let up and completed everything over a fair few months - It's been an enjoyable ride and thanks to the resources you provide here, it's been that much easier. I don't mean easier in the sense that it's somehow made the game a walk - more in the sense of; it's taken the hard sharp corners off the game and made it enjoyable. I can't remember the price of every single station for every race, that's not fun. Your site does that for me and it is a marvellous companion guide for the game.

I started X3TC and was lost, I am sure everyone is. It's got a big learning curve mainly due to the enormous amount of data and what a new player has to comprehend to make sense of it. However, after completing the hub plot in TC (arrg - the resources!) and having all the in game experience necessary to pull that off, I realised that the game is just a glimpse of what the game could have been if it was embellished properly. It could have been a lot more. I can understand why you would want to pursue modding purely because of how I felt. It's not finished, it could be better.

You have accomplished something brilliant in your website and I hope you are proud. Whether you read this or not, let my comments stand as a huge thank you, XOR
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AlphanInfidel  •  2 years ago
Thanks for all you've done, Roguey. Your site made X- Games more fun. I didn't progress to Rebirth for a variety of reasons, and now probably will never do so, though I almost certainly will use AP again. Cheers!
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parsec  •  2 years ago
Ive been a longtime player of the x-series and still love to play X3 in all of its facets. While i was embarrassed by the state in which X:R has been released i must say that egosoft did their homework in optimizing the engine so it is at least playable now.

Thanks to the modding community i really started to like X:Rs more fluent way of navigating and playing... I also think that we will see workarounds for being unable to steer another ship in the future.

Also thanks to your site, i have many information's at hand that i otherwise would have to find manually by searching every tiny bit of X:R..

What i want to say is that if it weren't for people like you, there would have been very small joy for me even in the old X games and if you drop your support for the series now like many other already did or are considering, i see a dim future for the series if any at all.

just my 50 cent ...
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FiL  •  2 years ago
Hello Rog Wink
I'm very sorry to hear and see that, here and on the Ego forum. I want to express a great big thanks to you. Without you I doubt I could enjoy a little the Rebirth thing.
I'm sorry for my hazardous English and I hope you understand. I think your web site is a very good one, clear and easy to navigate. Thank you also for the map of Rebirth.
I wish you the best for the future.
Sincerely friendly Mr Rog
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Gomorragh  •  2 years ago
not been on here a while, ive played the x games since they first came out, hunted round england for x-tension for nearly a year before i managed to find one, thought x2 was ok, barring losing most of the screen to pointless flickering lights (just wanted the original minimalist cockpits back, X3 spaghetti tubing and completely stupid ai, and then to top it off, more missile spam than beans in a tin can ..... Rogueys mods are all that kept me into the game, im more sorry that egosoft listened to the makers and fans of the xtended mod, rather than long time players of all versions of the game, the fact that they hired on the xtended mod crew to make an official expansion told me that this is the way things were going, now we have Elite: dangerous (elite 4) due out in beta sometime soon, star citizen, who seem to be looking like going the egosoft route, and recently ive seen a game called Entropy on steam, egosoft has fallen behind and its thier own actual fault this time. Good luck on any future modding you decide to do, and im sure ill keep visiting here.
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rodeomaha  •  2 years ago
Regardless of what you decide to do, I am confident that you will positively contribute to whatever endeavors you set your sights on. New to the X:Series, to me, Rebirth is at best beautiful strategy and at worst a continuous cycle of tedious chores. I don't remember how I was introduced to this site but it has been very informative to myself as I grind away at building a little virtual empire with this (cheap shot incoming – because I like the game) interactive screensaver. Good luck with what you choose, I just want to thank you, Rougey, for what you have done. I did pickup the X:Superpack on sale after Rebirth was released and I look forward to eventually checking out your mods. Be well, don't burn any bridges (not that you are) and thank you again.
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Roguey  •  2 years ago
well over on the official forums, someone created a thread about it here, which has now been locked. So I cant reply to any of them posts now. So I have created a post on my forum, The future of the x-sites.., where I dont plan on locking it, but allow you to voice your thoughts. Thanks for all your kind-words.

as for the x-sites, I will looking at the May patch which is supposed to be a big-deal. Its taken them years to get to this point!

I feel Egosoft really doesnt have a clue!

ps. I also disappointed in Ketraar's comments saying im just a modder, as thats clearly not the case! There arent many modelers with web-sites. Might be a few, but not many! My main focus was on a website(s), rather than mods!

ps. Looks like you guys have been busy and created a thread on steam too, here

I will be reading through and replying soon. thanks

[update]

I have posted a forum reply here (away from official boards).
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Locksley  •  2 years ago
I have yet to be convinced starting my X-Rebirth again. I am waiting for the patch that add and changes allot of the gameplay and universe interaction. A bit like the old X3 where possibilities seemed less constrained.
I see you got Star Citizen up in the menu. I am more exited about Limit Theory because of its procedural game setting. It looks like a more intellectual pleasing game; knowing it is "my" game "my own" universe, as I will play Smile
X-Rebirth just don't grasp my attention. Freelancer with the mod Crossfire has more going for it.
I would say Egosoft dropped the ball...

Your modding talents and knowhow is needed in other space sims. There are some old and a few comming about. LT seems to be to be released first if Josh can keep coding away. Gazz is a moderator on his forums, I don't know if that will scare you or gladden you :P

I have been visiting your site for X reasons for quite some years. You have given me allot of help with the X games.
Thank you Roguey!

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SyberSmoke  •  2 years ago
On one side I see your point, a sense of being betrayed and their not listening. The work you have put into this site and a deep feeling of why do any more if Egosoft is not going to reciprocate with a quality.

At the same time it is possible that Rebirth can get better...or may be a misstep that the company has taken. Developing anything is full of missteps, you get it into your head that it is a good idea and wham...it is over right there.

It is clear they had what they thought were solid ideas. That they believed people wanted something different from the old systems. I guess they were right, but they implemented it very wrong. So...now they are learning again, they are changing things to make the game better and all I can do, as anyone can do, it wait and see if they trials can redeem their mistakes.

They tried to do to much and it bit them in the ass. Here is to hoping lessons are learned, mistakes are made up for, and they do not repeat history with the next title.
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BarrenEarth  •  2 years ago
Well you already know how I feel about it. i think dropping it is the best for you and your site Roguey. I think the space and resources could be better used for actual quality games.

I do feel a sense of sadness in your writing and I am sorry your name is on the credits of this tragedy. I support you no matter what your decision!
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RegularWildKat  •  2 years ago
Hey guys they put out a new patch 1.31 for the game
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BarrenEarth  •  2 years ago
New patch?! so we can see how bad it sucks with better frame rates?
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Sinxar  •  2 years ago
I thought the same thing with the community being gone. But I can't really agree with dropping future coverage of the X games. Considering your site is one of very few fan sites that has any real content (and is up to date), seems like it would hurt the X community even more if they release a new game and it wasn't covered here.

It seems like Rebirth is a lost cause (at least to me). But I do wonder if Egosoft was pressured into releasing the game in that state (via deadline) or were forced by Deep Silver to create a more accessible game for the masses (would explain why it was so broken - due to last minute changes they didn't want to do or have time to implement properly). One supporting fact is they dropped OpenGL and went with DirectX after just saying all games would be cross-platform. We may never know what truly happened.

TL;DR: IMO it would be bad for the community in general to drop support for future X games. You and your site has more influence than you think perhaps?
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DangerClose  •  2 years ago
Wow. I don't know what to think, except that your grammar needs work. I understand being frustrated at Egosoft, but abandoning the site still seems like a bad idea. We should still have fun, even if the developers' heads are up their asses.
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Roguey  •  2 years ago
@DangerClose sorry, I have tried to correct a few of the grammar errors now. So hopefully it reads a little better.

@Sinxar I dont know how much influence I have, but it looks like egosoft are sticking to Rebirth. So until we move onto the next release, we probably going to be stuck with how things are. Adding more content wont fix a broken game. I personally think some parts of Rebirth need re-doing.
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Scott  •  2 years ago
dude please do not leave the x games. Your site has helped me and others. True ecosoft messed up with rebirth, there fault not yours . I am hoping to play your ap mod if I can even figure out why my copy is not right not matter what you decide I pray all is well with you and your family Thanks
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Ballti  •  2 years ago
Hey, it is I ballti (bad english). Comeon, seriously? No Roguey, no x universe.

Wait next 2 big patchs or dlc, then go on stendby if there is no future in x Rebirth.
For me is x Rebirth good, and i belive wen will be x rebirth in stage like x3tc/ap will be very good.
Im cheking this site many years, ty for all posts.
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Umbru  •  2 years ago
I would hate to see the site get moth balled but I don't blame you for needing some space from the X games for a bit Rebirth was pretty broken at launch and is still missing many of the game play elements we all loved in the older X games. The shame of it is even among the other big space games coming out later this year nothing really fills the same niche X did. I see a some hope in Limit Theory the one man dev team seems to have built a really solid frame work for a dynamic space sim. but he is only one guy so no idea when/if it will see the light of day.

Personally I'll keep dusting off Rebirth every couple of patches or so and hope Ego can carve something amazing out of the lump of rock that is Rebirth.
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