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So im wondering what you guys think of it, and gives me an chance to make a new poll
What do you think of the M7C class?
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What do you think of the M7C class?
Roguey
Rebelguey (24)
Rebelguey (24)
Posted 14 years ago.
Since v2.0 came out, ego kind-of added a new class - the M7C (An small carrier). It was kind-of slipped in I feel, as it used the numbering as M7.
So im wondering what you guys think of it, and gives me an chance to make a new poll
So im wondering what you guys think of it, and gives me an chance to make a new poll
Sinxar
Cruguey (18)
Cruguey (18)
Posted 14 years ago.
Wow I just went and looked. they look like harder hitting TMs lol. not sure if thats good or bad. I need to play AP again soon.
I should also ask. whats the difference between say, a TL (Elephant specifically) and a M7C. they seem to have similar stats but the TL with much more cargo, but possibly less shielding and a bit slower.
dutzan
Skillguey (7)
Skillguey (7)
Posted 14 years ago.
I think they're these, right?
http://x3ap.roguey.co.uk/ships/class-M7C/
Anyway, I've never really used carriers so far, my style is more rambo type, I go attack alone without having to worry about commanding other ships except when I call just one ship and tackle something in tandem. Apart for the prototype unique ships I stored in my griffon, I don't even have any small ships in my fleet.
Though I might get one eventually just to see how it is and mix things up a bit. Too bad they're not as maneuvrable as I would hope. It's a pain turning my cobra around, and these aren't much better.
Oh, and also only two of the five have reasonably more hangar capacity than a cerberus... which is a full on M7 with all the benefits like shielding, maneuvrability, firepower etc. And one of the two is the griffon hauler which we can't get.
http://x3ap.roguey.co.uk/ships/class-M7C/
Anyway, I've never really used carriers so far, my style is more rambo type, I go attack alone without having to worry about commanding other ships except when I call just one ship and tackle something in tandem. Apart for the prototype unique ships I stored in my griffon, I don't even have any small ships in my fleet.
Though I might get one eventually just to see how it is and mix things up a bit. Too bad they're not as maneuvrable as I would hope. It's a pain turning my cobra around, and these aren't much better.
Oh, and also only two of the five have reasonably more hangar capacity than a cerberus... which is a full on M7 with all the benefits like shielding, maneuvrability, firepower etc. And one of the two is the griffon hauler which we can't get.
Sinxar
Cruguey (18)
Cruguey (18)
Posted 14 years ago.
I was about to say the Griffon Hauler looks to be of the M7 class and maybe the only one worth buying. I do like the look of the Teladi one though. But IMO I just can't see how they got classed as M7. They really look more like TM+, with the exception of the Griffion with IBLs. The others can't even mount flak and the Terran one can only fit EMPCs lol. No M/AM Launchers FTL.
Roguey
Rebelguey (24)
Rebelguey (24)
Posted 14 years ago.
hmm... thinking about it, they do kind-of cross into TL's (never thought of that before) but like you said with less shielding and cargo-space (and no ST cargo for station building). I guess ego wanted them to be mini-m1's. Do you think it would make more sense if they cargo size was boosted, ST cargo and then made them into TL's?
and dutzan, those are the ships we are talking about: M7C. I like to solo fight too - AI ships can seem a bit slow to reactive sometimes.
and dutzan, those are the ships we are talking about: M7C. I like to solo fight too - AI ships can seem a bit slow to reactive sometimes.
dutzan
Skillguey (7)
Skillguey (7)
Posted 14 years ago.
What IBLs?
Roguey
Rebelguey (24)
Rebelguey (24)
Posted 14 years ago.
What IBLs?
- dutzan
- dutzan
They are Incendiary Bomb Launchers, more info (from X3TC but shouldnt of changed).
Kirlack
Specoguey (14)
Specoguey (14)
Posted 14 years ago.
M7 class ships that can only mount 200MJ shields? 
I'm not really sure what ES are trying to do here. Such a vessel certainly would have no place amongst my fleet. Even with the higher number of docking slots and the fighter firepower they can bring to bare...they don't look as though they can take care of themselves. Under many circumstances I doubt they would even survive long enough to spool up the jumpdrive and get away!
I'm not really sure what ES are trying to do here. Such a vessel certainly would have no place amongst my fleet. Even with the higher number of docking slots and the fighter firepower they can bring to bare...they don't look as though they can take care of themselves. Under many circumstances I doubt they would even survive long enough to spool up the jumpdrive and get away!
Madder than a Bastard on fathers day.
My DiDs: Peace(s) of Eight - Way of the Gun - Status: Online, A Xenon DiD
My DiDs: Peace(s) of Eight - Way of the Gun - Status: Online, A Xenon DiD
Sinxar
Cruguey (18)
Cruguey (18)
Posted 14 years ago.
Going off stats alone, they do look bad on paper. But I'll give them a try before passing judgement. I'll try to get a game going tonight maybe. Shouldn't take long to get one.
Rassyu
Stickguey (8)
Stickguey (8)
Posted 14 years ago.
M7 class ships that can only mount 200MJ shields? Im not really sure what ES are trying to do here. Such a vessel certainly would have no place amongst my fleet. Even with the higher number of docking slots and the fighter firepower they can bring to bare...they dont look as though they can take care of themselves. Under many circumstances I doubt they would even survive long enough to spool up the jumpdrive and get away!
- Kirlack
Im not really sure what ES are trying to do here. Such a vessel certainly would have no place amongst my fleet. Even with the higher number of docking slots and the fighter firepower they can bring to bare...they dont look as though they can take care of themselves. Under many circumstances I doubt they would even survive long enough to spool up the jumpdrive and get away!- Kirlack
i don't think they are meant for the front lines anyways,they would jump in system deploy fighters and drones and stay back.but ya i don't think they are that much worth it,they are smaller than a TL that's about there only positive thing to em.
some tweaks to them is needed IMO.
LostInSpace37
Newguey (1)
Newguey (1)
Posted 14 years ago.
I like the idea of light "Escort Carriers", but think that they need some tweaking. For my own game I just adjusted their shields and hanger capacity, such that they each had about 1/3 the shielding/capacity of their race's M1s. Makes them more useful and better able to survive without invalidating M1s.
dutzan
Skillguey (7)
Skillguey (7)
Posted 14 years ago.
Ok so anyone considering using them - which one will you choose? Cause except for the paranid Ariadne, they're not offering much more than a griffon/cerberus in terms of ships carried. As designated carriers do they have something extra?
OOZ662
Tropguey (5)
Tropguey (5)
Posted 14 years ago.
I thought it was kinda weird that they said they adjusted the Cerberus to match ships in its class and yet it's still a light carrier with heavy-in-class anti-fighter weaponry and pretty close to zilch anti-capital options...basically the only option I see there is circle-strafing around on the edge of Plasma Beam Cannon range.
Then they said they added escort carriers. I thought they meant that every race got a "Cerberus" (mini-M1) to go along with their mini-M2 frigates...until I saw one in space for the first time, hit i+u, and literally laughed out loud at the stats.
Then they said they added escort carriers. I thought they meant that every race got a "Cerberus" (mini-M1) to go along with their mini-M2 frigates...until I saw one in space for the first time, hit i+u, and literally laughed out loud at the stats.
Roguey
Rebelguey (24)
Rebelguey (24)
Posted 14 years ago.
So you reckon if the new M7C shields were boosted to like 2GJ-3GJ then that would more or less fix them? 1GJ does seem very low - maybe fine for an M6C class.
Kirlack
Specoguey (14)
Specoguey (14)
Posted 14 years ago.
I think 2GJ would be the bare base minimum, especially on a ship that can carry 25 fighters that could cost in excess of 6 million each! That's 150 million in fighters, on top of the cost of the frigate, that can currently go up in smoke from a single firestorm torpedo, shot from the far side of the sector! This I feel, is a huge oversight on the part of Egosoft.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of more variable M7s, especially given that many players, myself included, choose an M7 for their permanent personal ship, but I just think on this class the balance it currently wrong.
Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of more variable M7s, especially given that many players, myself included, choose an M7 for their permanent personal ship, but I just think on this class the balance it currently wrong.
Madder than a Bastard on fathers day.
My DiDs: Peace(s) of Eight - Way of the Gun - Status: Online, A Xenon DiD
My DiDs: Peace(s) of Eight - Way of the Gun - Status: Online, A Xenon DiD
Roguey
Rebelguey (24)
Rebelguey (24)
Posted 14 years ago.
Very true, even M8's fire 2 missiles together (600MJ each), so they would wipe out an M7C in one wave. So I agree.. 2GJ should be at-least minimum for an M7C.
[update] hmm.. I brought myself a new M7 - Griffon Sentinel (M7). However I notice there are actually 4 M7's with hangers. All have 4GJ worth of shielding - so really the M7C needs something like this I feel. It does feel that M7 class is all blending into each other.
[update] hmm.. I brought myself a new M7 - Griffon Sentinel (M7). However I notice there are actually 4 M7's with hangers. All have 4GJ worth of shielding - so really the M7C needs something like this I feel. It does feel that M7 class is all blending into each other.
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